2013-06-12

Review: Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" Cinnamon + MATE

It's that time of the year again. Linux Mint has just released the latest version of its distribution, and I'm going to review it.

Cinnamon: Main Screen + Cinnamon Menu
What has changed since the previous version? Cinnamon has gotten more bug fixes as usual. More importantly, its settings have been consolidated into one program, and it has become less immediately dependent on GNOME than before. Meanwhile, MATE has also been moving away from old libraries toward newer ones used in GNOME 3 as well, allowing for things like Caja to look a little more like Nautilus. There are other changes in store for Linux Mint itself, like new separate tools to manage software repositories and drivers, respectively (in opposition to how Ubuntu is doing it now).

I tested both of these as live USB systems made with UnetBootin. Follow the jump to see what they are like.

Cinnamon

After getting past the boot menu, I was greeted by a boot splash; this one seems new, as it features the Linux Mint logo fading in from the black background. After that came the desktop.

Cinnamon: Mozilla Firefox + LibreOffice Writer
The desktop is fairly standard for Cinnamon, but because I haven't reviewed a Cinnamon distribution in a while, I'll go over it again. There are desktop icons present. There is one panel on the bottom containing, from left to right, the Cinnamon Menu, a button to show the desktop, some quick launchers, a window switcher, a button to display notifications, a button to customize the panel, a shortcut to removable drives, a system tray with a clock, and a button to show all present windows. I think the themes (window decoration, GTK+) in Linux Mint have been improved since last time, but in any case, they look far less chintzy and a good deal more classy; this also may be because the effects in Cinnamon are present by default, whereas that is typically not the case in MATE. My only complaints are that the panel icons to show notifications and to customize the panel look a little cheap and could use some more work, but otherwise, the desktop looks quite nice and extremely polished (as should be expected of Linux Mint).

Mozilla Firefox is the default browser. As expected, proprietary codecs are included by default, as YouTube and Hulu worked fine, as did my laptop's volume keyboard shortcuts.
LibreOffice is included as usual. A very nice touch is that the icons are Faenza to match with the rest of the desktop; this is somewhat unusual because that is not an icon theme shipped by default in LibreOffice. The other application are fairly standard for Linux Mint.
Nemo has been the default file browser in Cinnamon for a while now. It now reminds me very much of Nautilus Elementary in its interface and functionality. There are a lot of nice little touches, like the tiny basic customization icons below the sidebar and the fancy-looking breadcrumbs. What I'd like to see now is support for something like Gloobus Preview or GNOME Sushi.

Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" Cinnamon used 230 MB of RAM at idle, which is quite low for a DE these days. The desktop effects provided by Cinnamon worked well, but I can't seem to find a way to choose which effects to enable anymore; that setting seems to have disappeared from the Cinnamon Control Center.
Cinnamon: Nemo + Eye Of GNOME
Speaking of which, that program now houses all the settings that can be changed graphically in Cinnamon, obviating the need for the GNOME 3 Control Center/System Settings program, which is nice. I tried to install new panel applets like the GNOME 2-style Linux Mint Menu as well as a window switcher with previews, but the former couldn't install at all, and the latter couldn't be found anywhere on the panel once added. That made the whole customization exercise a little useless. Furthermore, my attempts to customize the desktop resulted in the desktop freezing on two different occasions. Thankfully I was able to restart Cinnamon using 'CTRL'+'ALT'+'BACKSPACE'; this also let me see the updates to the MDM login screen, which looks way more classy and is much more customizable than it was just a year ago.

That's where my time with the Cinnamon edition ended. Overall it seems like the stability of Cinnamon on Linux Mint has only marginally improved and still leaves a bit to be desired. I'm leaving the discussion for installing my preferred applications and customizing the desktop further for the review of the MATE edition, which is just below this.

MATE

MATE: Main Screen + Linux Mint Menu
Most of what was discussed regarding things like the boot splash and applications are the same as in Cinnamon. Besides that, the desktop is obviously a traditional MATE desktop for Linux Mint; also, I can confirm that the reason why the desktop themes look a little more chintzy on MATE is the lack of desktop effects by default.

Caja now looks a lot like Nautilus, though its top toolbar is still quite cluttered. I'm also hoping that Caja gets a file previewer like Gloobus Preview or GNOME Sushi, but that may not happen so soon.


I was able to install Skype and Redshift using the Synaptic Package Manager. Both of those installed and worked fine. I will say though that the Synaptic Package Manager seemed to exhibit a little latency, and it never closed properly; I had to force its closure, and then issue the command "sudo killall synaptic" to properly finish the job. This is probably the first time I have encountered that issue.
Mupen64Plus 1.5 was installable via the route that has become typical for me. There were a couple of things troubling about it though. The first was that it never appeared in the Linux Mint Menu. The second was that it didn't come with the "Rice" video plugin which renders video smoothly but instead comes with the inferior "Glide" plugin, and it doesn't come with a configurable input plugin which essentially makes the GUI worthless to me.
Google Talk was installable through its DEB file from the website accessible from within Gmail. It installed and worked fine.

MATE: Caja + Eye Of MATE
Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" MATE used about 230 MB of RAM at idle, which is the same as the Cinnamon edition. Both are quite good numbers, but MATE had no desktop effects running, while Cinnamon had all the available ones enabled, so I would say Cinnamon performs better. Furthermore, I felt throughout my time reviewing the MATE edition that the desktop didn't feel quite as snappy as I have become accustomed to over the past couple of years, as windows seemed to lag a little while being moved around (and the feeling of latency was heightened with the issue with the Synaptic Package Manager).
Speaking of desktop effects, I was unable to get Compiz to run the way I wanted. Compiz does run, and it is possible to customize the settings in the default plugins that are chosen to run and for those specific customizations to stick around. However, for some reason, Compiz no longer seems to respect the user's choice of which plugins to enable or disable, meaning I could no longer run the lovely desktop cube as I pleased. It seems like this is a well-known issue with no known solution for Ubuntu 13.04 "Raring Ringtail" and its derivatives.

That is where my time with the MATE edition and with Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" overall ended. I still feel like I can't really recommend the Cinnamon edition because of its instabilities, though this is the first review of it in Linux Mint where I have been able to do enough in it that I feel is worth documenting. I can certainly recommend the MATE edition to newbies, but because of the overall slightly sluggish behavior as well as the issues I encountered with the Synaptic Package Manager, Compiz (though this is not a Linux Mint problem per se), and Mupen64Plus, the confidence I have in giving the recommendation is slightly lower than usual (though still fairly high). I'm hoping that by the next LTS release, the remaining issues with Compiz will be ironed out and Mupen64Plus will again be workable. Otherwise I'm going to have to seriously look into alternative distributions and programs for the future; thankfully if nothing else, I'm covered for 5 years with my Linux Mint 13 LTS "Maya" Xfce setup.
You can get it here.

17 comments:

  1. Thank you for the time to write about Mint; your review is very useful and enlightening. I really appreciate your objective observations!

    Again, thank you and good luck with your studies.

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  2. You would move distributions just because of some issues with "compiz" and "mupen64" ???

    lol you will soon find that those same issues with "compiz" and "mupen64" will be present no matter what distro you switch towards...

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  3. Hmm, I always take these "I tested the live version" reviews with a large grain of salt. I've been using Mint 15 Cinnamon installed since the day after it was released and personally find it very solid.

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  4. I have been using Mint 15 since the RC release and it has been rock solid for me as well.

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  5. Your's review is with live USB systems , not as stable or responsive as installed system.
    When idle ( at least in my desktop ) , LM 15 cinnamon is using 170 -190 MB off RAM and MATE is using 150 -170 MB of RAM

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  6. @Mechatotoro: I appreciate the support!

    @symon: Yes, I would. Why is that so difficult to believe when you have tons of people who would otherwise be genuinely interested in trying any Linux distribution decide not to because of one specific program? Compiz is a far more useful WM than its snazzy effects may let on, and it has become an integral part of my workflow. And the issue with Mupen64Plus mirrors any similar issue with "game X doesn't work on distribution Y".

    @Anonymous 1, 2, 3: Somehow in my live session reviews I have actually found Cinnamon to be a little more stable outside of Linux Mint, which is a bit ironic. Also, considering that several past reviews of Linux Mint with GNOME 2, MATE, or Xfce have yielded extremely stable and responsive systems in the live session, I feel more entitled to blame this version of Linux Mint rather than the live session review itself. Finally, I have found with Linux Mint (given that I have installed a handful of versions onto a hard drive) that what I see for live session RAM usage is more or less the same as what I would see once the system is installed to a hard drive.

    Thanks for the comments!

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  7. I am using Mint with Cinnamon desktop. I have found it very stable and responsive. Desktop effects work well. I think it is the best all round distro that I have tried.

    I also have PClinuxOS loaded which is not half as responsive though seems pretty stable.

    Could be that some of your problems result from only usinga live USB system.

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  8. I am happy to read a rather objective Linux Mint review, pinpointing the same desktop environment issues that made me leave Linux Mint Debian Edition.

    If you would like to have a future-proof semi-rolling Debian-testing distribution with a no-nonsense desktop environment (XFCE 4.10 or KDE) and descendent of LMDE, I can warmly recommend http://solydxk.com/products/solydx/

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  9. Your bad luck, i suppose, Linux Mint 15 is just about the most stable system i've ever installed on my Lenovo G580, Samsung N150 and a Core i5 desktop with Nvidia graphics card. And it's beautiful too. It's so user friendly that I go about my work without really worrying about which OS is installed on my system, in other words, it stays performs solidly, stays out of the way and lets me concentrate on the apps that i work on.

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  10. Xfce is awesome, rock-solid stable, and Das Ublog is right to use it. Of all my linux distros, my linux mint xfce gives the fewest problems. KDE is plagued by immature developers who release beta versions on the public before they're ready, whereas Ubuntu--nevermind about Ubuntu... thank goodness Linux Mint is around.

    Xfce when you need something that works the first time. Boots fast, does what is wanted, what more to ask?

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  11. @Bernard Victor: I think the issues with Cinnamon that I have experienced in Linux Mint are probably because of testing using a live USB, but that doesn't explain the issues with MATE.

    @on4aa: I have reviewed SolydXK, so you should check that out! I have found SolydK to be an excellent distribution.

    @surja gain: It's great that Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" has worked well for you.

    @igor: Yeah, I've really enjoyed using Linux Mint with Xfce, but what specifically did you think about this particular review?

    Thanks for the comments!

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  12. SolydXK crashes just by doing: CRTL + ALT + F7

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    1. @Anonymous: I appreciate the tip, but I have also reviewed SolydXK separately, so I would have appreciated it more on that article. Anyway, thanks for the comment!

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  13. Here is a temporary solution to the problem (bug) in Compiz 0.9.9, on linux Mint 15
    which loses focus of the windows start maximized.
    Video demonstration:

    http://videos.sapo.pt/ET7fcez9PgPQJtMzDItQ


    I ended up found that, while not opting for the temporary solution mentioned above, there are some themes contour windows where the bug does not manifest. The themes are:

    - Divinorum-Blue-OriginalSeed-1
    - Crux
    - AdwaitaWolfV4.

    There may be more.

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  14. I liked Mint 14 enough, and have been using it since release, thought it was painful to get compiz running, since the compiz Mint gets from the Ubuntu repos do not work with Mate at all. I found it to be a solution to my undying hatred of nearly all the new Linux desktops (GNOME3, KDE4, Unity, etc). Mint 15 now, is buggy as hell. On a fresh install on my laptop, no PPA's, pure Mint - the first time I logged in the Mint Menu error-ed out, so no menu (still trying to get this to work). Not impressive. Network Manager is also buggy (turning off my network occasionally for some reason), though I'm using it with two different wireless devices.

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    1. @Tim: It's unfortunate that Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" hasn't been able to work out for you. I too hope that the next version works a bit better. Thanks for the comment!

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